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Herrnstein and the Evolution of Behaviorism B. F. SKINNER Harvard University ABSTRACT: // is difficult to identify the tacit assumptions to which Herrnstein attributes the rise of the experimental analysis of behavior and which he feels must be exposed and revised. The assumptions that have been explicitly stated must, as in any science, be constantly reviewed, but Herrnstein's comments are not particularly helpful for that purpose. Operant conditioners have not neglected relevant genetic contri- butions; they have never asserted that the "drives" they use in their research compose an exhaustive list; and their treatment of response classes encompasses recent data without serious dislocation. Phylogenic intrusions into ontogenic behavior, as in autoshaping, are more than matched by intrusions in the other direction. Herrnstein's theory of self-reinforcement in the explanation of behavior clearly attributable to natural selection is an unnecessary appeal to environ- mentalism. A science of behavior must deal with both phytogeny and ontogeny, but Herrnstein has not pointed toward a useful rapprochement. When one has published nine books setting forth a scientific position, it is disconcerting to find it mis- understood. To be misunderstood by a former student and present colleague is especially puzzling. Yet I do not recognize the views attributed to me by Professor Herrnstein (1977) in his explanation of a "rising tide of anti-Skinnerianism" (p. 593) in the evolution of behaviorism. Specifically, I cannot agree that, "tacitly" or explicitly, I (a) minimized the role of phylogenic behavior, (b) "forswore exact prediction and instead sought quantitative laws," (c) incorrectly identified "the natural lines of fracture along which behavior and environment actually break," (d) assumed that there were only a few "drives," (e) unjustifiably overlooked the "hedonic value of stimuli," and (f) became interested in behavioral engineering only at a relatively late date. It is possible that what he says is applicable to the views of other people, but insofar as readers may suppose that he is speaking of my own, and possibly with the special authority of a close associate, I must try to set the record straight. The Breland Effect Herrnstein begins with the Brelands and I shall deal with them first. Marian Breland was in a class of 20 sophomores to whom I taught intro- ductory psychology at the University of Minnesota in 1938-1939. (Another member of the class was W. K. Estes.) Keller Breland was a graduate student, although not one of mine. I enlisted their help in what became known as Project Pigeon (Skinner, 1960) early in 1942. Together on that project we learned the techniques of shap- ing behavior from which they developed a new field of applied animal psychology (Breland & Breland, 1951). Their commercial work gave them a unique opportunity to observe the effect of highly repeti- tive behavior emitted over long periods of time, and they made the important discovery that when manipulation of an object as a token was repeat- edly reinforced with food, an animal might begin to show, with respect to the token, behavior that was quite obviously of phylogenic origin. A racoon "washes" the token; a pig "roots" it. When Keller Breland reported these results to our Pigeon Staff at Harvard around 1960, we were far from "taken aback" and urged him to publish. Unfortunately, the tone of their paper (Breland & Breland, 1961) encouraged misunderstanding, as Keller Breland (Note 1) pointed out in a letter sent to me before publication: We have been concerned here for a number of years with the area of observations commonly called instinct (a rosebush by any other name is just as thorny), and an article discussing the type of problem one encounters in this area will soon appear in the American Psychologist. Preparation of this paper was supported by Social Security Number 474-24-0443. I am grateful to Robert Epstein for critical comments and help in the preparation of this paper. I have also profited from comments by A. Charles Catania. Requests for reprints should be sent to B. F. Skinner, Department of Psychology and Social Relations, William James Hall, Harvard University, 33 Kirkland Street, Cam- bridge, Massachusetts 02138. 1006 • DECEMBER 1977 • AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGIST That is the occasion for this letter since, after looking at the galley proofs, it occurred to us that it might convey impressions not intended. Perhaps we did not state strongly enough our feeling as to the efficacy of operant conditioning in the control of organisms. This conviction is so "old hat" with us that I am afraid that we sometimes forget that it is not shared by all American psychologists. His letter concluded: "Viva la operant! (Such a pregnant notion as the operant must be female.)" It was, of course, necessary for the Brelands to use the phylogenic repertoires of the various species with which they worked (and they did so in a most ingenious way), but they continued to be dependent upon the shaping technique we dis- covered in Project Pigeon in developing that be- havior for commercial purposes. So much for their "fading enthusiasm" at this "early point in the rising tide of anti-Skinnerianism" (Herrnstein, 1977, p. 593). Curiously enough, Clark Hull may have been the first to observe the Breland effect. In 1937 someone had said that the use of tokens was a kind of symbolic behavior beyond the reach of rats, and I countered by teaching a rat (the student news- paper named it Pliny) to pull a chain to release a marble from a rack, pick the marble up in its forepaws, carry it across the cage, and drop it down a slot (Skinner, 1938). When Hull visited my laboratory during the American Psychological Association meetings in Minnesota in September 1937, he saw Pliny at work and noticed that the rat licked the marble as it carried it across the cage. "Anticipatory goal behavior," he called it. I had another explanation: We never washed the marbles and they became rather tacky and no doubt had some flavor if not nutritional value. If Hull was right, he anticipated the Brelands by more than two decades. The behavior did not, of course, seriously disrupt the behavior being reinforced. It was a mistake, no matter how tempting, for the Brelands to speak of "misbehavior." I do not believe that organisms ever misbehave. I long ago adopted the basic rule in animal research that the organism is always right. It does what it is induced to do by its genetic endowment or the prevailing conditions. If anyone misbehaves, it is the experimenter in making a bad prediction. The prolonged repetitive use of a token appears to lead eventually to adjunctive behavior toward the token which is characteristic of the reinforcer for which the token is exchanged. The miser is the human archetype. However, in commenting on the Breland effect, I have pointed out (Skinner, 1966b) that in Project Pigeon we also observed contrary instances in which environmentalism "overrode" nativism. A pigeon that had been con- ditioned to peck very rapidly at a target pecked at food at the same rate and was unable to take pieces into its mouth. It had nearly starved to death be- fore we discovered what was wrong. (We did not publish this as "completely invalidating the nativist position.") As I pointed out in that paper, civil- ization has supplied an unlimited number of ex- amples of the suppression of the phylogenic rep- ertoire of the human species by learned, behavior. In fact, it is often the very function of a culture to mask a genetic endowment. In view of the importance of the Breland effect, not to mention the extent to which it has been cited as showing "trouble with the Skinnerian method," it is disappointing that it has not been studied further. It would be interesting to know, forexample, whether the same behavior would be exhibited if a raccoon or pig were thirsty and its token-using behavior were being reinforced with water. Environmentalism According to Herrnstein (1977), William Mc- Dougall stands for nativism and I for environ- mentalism, but we "just barely resisted converging on [a] middle ground" where "the accumulating data of our science root us ever more firmly" (p. S94). But I have always regarded myself as on the middle ground. "Skinnerianism" is not "dedi- cated to environmentalism as opposed to nativism" (p. 593). My first five papers were about innate behavior, and I have referred elsewhere (Skinner, 1956) to two unpublished experiments conducted at about the same time on "ethological" topics. In my first experiment on conditioning, I used inbred strains of rats and planned to make genetic tests when differences in behavior were discovered. With W. T. Heron, I explored the possibility that two strains of rats separated on the basis of scores in a linear multiple-T maze might differ in rate of extinction in an operant setting (Heron & Skinner, 1940). I have commented on the four ways in which a culture or social environment can deal wUh innate susceptibilities to reinforcement by salt, sugar, sexual contact, and signs of aggressive damage (Skinner, 1966a) and have written at length on the relation between the phylogeny and ontogeny of behavior (Skinner, 1966b), pointing to many similarities between natural selection and operant conditioning. When the latter paper was AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGIST • DECEMBER 1977 • 1007 reprinted in Contingencies of Reinforcement: A Theoretical Analysis (Skinner, 1969), I added many notes touching on issues now being raised by Herrnstein. One of them points to "a possible example of programmed phylogenic contingencies" which I later expanded in a paper called "The Shaping of Phylogenic Behavior" (Skinner, 1975), a much stronger statement on the inheritance of behavior than is commonly made by many etholo- gists. There are a few statements in Science and Human Behavior (Skinner, 1953) questioning in- nate imitation of which I am now less sure. Phy- logenic imitative repertoires are obvious enough. There are many circumstances in which doing what other members of a group are doing should have survival value, but it is possible that this is confined to behavior with survival value in its own right. Whether organisms naturally imitate novel forms of behavior acquired in novel environments is another question. I failed to get a pigeon to peck at a ping-pong ball fastened on the wall of a box when another pigeon in a clearly visible space was pecking a similar ball and getting food for each peck, but I had no trouble setting up very precise imitative behavior through direct reinforce- ment (Skinner, 1962). I have discussed the inter- relations among phylogenic and ontogenic imitation and aggression in detail (Skinner, 1969). This does not seem to be the history of an extreme environmentalist who has "tacitly" assumed a tabula rasa. The Unspoken Heuristic Assumptions Herrnstein's paper is concerned almost exclusively with assumptions he calls "unspoken," "implicit," or "tacit." It is, of course, impossible to prove that one has never made such an assumption or in some obscure way profited from making it. One can only argue that it would not have been needed or that a contrary assumption has been stated. Herrnstein (1977) argues that Only something subtle can explain why, for about a generation, the Skinnerian school has been a major pro- ducer in the study of instrumental behavior, for all the obvious ingredients antedate it. What was the creative impetus in Skinner's work, if not its operant-respondent distinction or its lever boxes or cumulative records? (p. 594) I should suppose that a valid answer would be the use of rate of responding as a dependent vari- able and the extent to which it was shown to be a function of carefully controlled and increasingly complex contingencies of reinforcement. Vast areas of research, from animal psychophysics to psychopharmacology to schedules of reinforce- ment to physiological psychology, began to show a degree of rigor and reproducibility that had not been antedated. There is nothing subtle about such an explanation, but it seems to account for the rapid multiplication of laboratories for the experimental analysis of behavior and for the increasing flow of important experimental papers. Herrnstein himself does not answer his question except to imply that all this happened because of unwarranted "tacit" assumptions. He does not show how, by serving their "heuristic purposes," they led to the present flourishing state of the field. He explains the assumption of equipotentiality in some detail, and then judges me innocent of making it. He is not so clear in identifying the other assumptions of which Skinnerians are said to be guilty. He says that my theoretical point of departure here was Watsonian be- haviorism, characterized by [my] quote from Watson (1Q24): "the ascertaining of such data and laws, that, given the stimulus, psychology can predict what the response will be; or, given the response, it can specify the nature of the effective stimulus." (p. 595) If it was my "point of departure," I departed very soon, as Herrnstein himself goes on to show: "Skinner considered the Watsonian program 'im- practicable' because 'the number of possible reflexes is for all practical purposes infinite and . . . what one might call the botanizing of reflexes will be a thankless task'" (p. 595). Nevertheless, I did not, as Herrnstein says, express "pessimism about a completely predictive science of behavior" (p. 595). I thought it might be possible in the lab- oratory. I am at a loss to explain the sentences that follow: The only way to find out about the specific stimuli and responses comprising the flow of behavior, said Skinner, was to observe and catalogue them as a botanist does plants, and he was clearly to have none of it. It is true that the Brelands and the long line of pioneering be- havioral engineers since them have dared to venture where Skinner said he wouldn't, even if he seems to have since become as practical-minded as Watson ever was. (p. 595) I did not say that the only way to find out about the flow of behavior was to botanize reflexes. I said it was to select a few samples of behavior and study them intensively under laboratory control. And as to "pioneering behavioral engineers," what is the force of the second "since"? Project Pigeon 1008 • DECEMBER 1977 • AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGIST was one of the first engineering applications of operant conditioning and it was already under way when I enlisted the help of the Brelands. Further- more, before they proposed their new "field of applied animal psychology," I had written Walden Two as an essay in behavioral engineering on a much broader scale. The "long line of pioneering behavioral engineers since [the Brelands]" owed nothing to them. Indeed, any connection would have worked against technological extensions by supporting those critics who have likened behavior modification to the training of animals. The "Contamination" oj Response Classes Another "tacit" assumption to be reconsidered is said to involve response classes. In my paper on the generic nature of stimulus and response (Skin- ner, 1935), I pointed to the diversity to be seen in the topography of behavior but also to the reasonably ordered processes observed in spite of it. I spoke of the "natural lines of fracture along which behavior and environment actually break"— a nativist statement if I ever heard one, but one which Herrnstein misrepresents by equating it with generalization. The facts cited by Herrnstein are far from a contamination." The experiment which Herrnstein offers asan example Wolin did in my laboratory at Indiana University. The water-reinforced re- sponses were not exactly "pigeon pecks," as Herrn- stein says, but "slow, long, easy pushing motions" (Wolin, 1948), much more like dipping the beak into water. I have tried to repeat that experiment several times without success, but there is no question that Wolin got his result. The following fact may be relevant. Wolin used a small white ceramic cup into which the pigeon could just insert its beak to draw up a very small quantity of water at each reinforcement. Seen from above, the cup was about the size and shape of the key, and the white light on the key was not unlike the white glaze on the cup. It is perhaps not surprising that the response to the key should then resemble the response to the cup. W. H. Morse and I could detect no difference in duration of contact-openings in an experiment in which pecking one key was reinforced with water and pecking another, with food. But the Wolin result showed that behavior appropriate to obtaining water as a reinforcer can strongly influence the topography of a response to a rather similar key. It is an important observation, but not, I think, a "source of evidence against Skinnerianism" (p. 599), whatever that may be.1 (Incidentally, an entirely different principle explains the fact that food-reinforced yawning differs from real yawning. The operant simulation of a respondent—or for that matter of another operant—is seldom precise. Actors find it difficult to yawn in a convincing way. The behavior is a poor copy because the contin- gencies are different, not, as Herrnstein says, be- cause the response class has been contaminated by reinforcers or "drives.") Autoshaping Autoshaping is a special application of a more gen- eral principle. When a stimulus or a change in a stimulus is repeatedly correlated with an event of biological significance, such as the presentation of food to a hungry animal, it begins to elicit or release behavior that is pretty obviously part of the animal's phylogenic repertoire. One example is the pigeon's investigatory peck at a disk that is occasionally lighted or darkened a few moments before food is presented. At Indiana University in 1946 I used a spot of light that moved across a screen; when it reached the edge, a food dispenser operated. In that case, the spot did not evoke an investigatory peck; instead, the pigeon "drove" it across the screen, striking it at the rear edge. I was not "alarmed" at this result; I suggested that a graduate student at Harvard take it as a subject for a PhD thesis and built the necessary apparatus. It was, I believe, the only time I have ever sug- gested a topic to a graduate student, and unfortu- nately she chose to do something else. In 1958, W. H. Morse and I undertook some experiments to see why extinction curves after continuous reinforcement were so variable. Our guess was that reinforcement was not always really con- tinuous, because many pecks did not operate the key. We used what would later be called auto- shaping to get a clean response—again without alarm. That the investigatory responses should actually prevent the occurrence of a reinforcement is interesting but not devastating. Phylogeny and ontogeny are friendly rivals and neither one always wins. 1 Like Wolin, Morse and I were observing operant be- havior rather than the autoshaped behavior in which Jenkins and Moore (1973) found a topographical similarity between pecking a key and the consummatory behavior of drinking and eating. AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGIST • DECEMBER 1977 • 1009 Drives Another of the "tacit" assumptions that Herrnstein feels must be stripped away concerns motivation. I have certainly not neglected "drive," though I stopped using the term shortly after the publication of Science and Human Behavior (Skinner, 1953) because it was so easily misunderstood. For example, Herrnstein (1977) says that "for Skin- ner a primary drive is a state" (p. 596). It is not. In Science and Human Behavior (Skinner, 1953), successive sections are headed A drive is not a physiological state, A drive is not a psychic state, and A drive is not simply a state oj strength. In my first discussion of the subject I said, "The question of hunger arises from an apparent variability in the behavior of the intact organism" (Skinner, 1932 p. 35). Rather than explain this by referring to a state, I argued that we should turn to an observable and, if possible, a manipulable operation. I contended that nothing was gained by talking about a "state of hunger," no matter what the introspective or physiological evidence, because we must still explain the state. In the case of hunger, the additional operation is deprivation, though rate of eating can, of course, be altered in other ways. I pointed out in The Behavior oj Organisms (Skinner, 1938) that "in a conditioned operant, the drive governing the strength is determined by the reinforcement" (p. 372), and also that a single, labeled "drive" such as hunger can be changed in many ways and has many effects. If we stick to our observations, we can only specify the operations and the behaviors they affect; I could see no evidence of a single drive called hunger, and I agree with Herrnstein (1977, p. 598) that "We still do not know precisely what we are doing when we make a rat hungry" (though "millions of pellets" have not been "rollfed] down chutes" to find out). An organism is always in a "state," uniquely associated with what it is doing. We can speak of either the state or the behavior, but we can not explain one by the other. The really serious mis- take is to infer a drive state as an explanatory entity simply from the behavior to be explained. When a pigeon "prompted by flashing lights and unexpected pellets of food or jolts of shock" pecks a key, it is the behavior that is prompted, not the "creature's curiosity drive" (Herrnstein, 1977, p. 601). Herrnstein appears to agree. He says, "Of course, it does not explain behavior to infer drives and reinforcers, nor is it a substitute for honest research" (p. 601). But he then goes on: It is, rather, to allow one's system of behavior to take cognizance of two directions in which psychological knowl- edge is growing: The first concerns the complexity of the motivational endowment of typical subjects, and the second, the reinforcing status of the stimuli arising in behavior, (p. 601) I believe this can be abbreviated as follows: To infer drives and reinforcers is to recognize moti- vational endowments and the reinforcing effects of stimuli arising in behavior. But that comes close to saying simply that by inferring drives- and self- reinforcers, we can talk about them. I prefer to talk about observations rather than inferences. To demonstrate that motivation has been neglected, Herrnstein says that in spending so much time on schedules of reinforcement, behaviorists tell us "that they think that relatively little behavioral variance is explained by organisms' varying drive states" (p. 597), but is this not like saying that in spending so much time on hormones, the endo- crinologists tell us that they think relatively little behavioral variance is explained by the nervous system? To stick to one field is not to assert that another field is worthless. It is true that I have studied only a few "drives," but I am surprised that this should be taken as evidence that I have made "the most fallible of all the behaviorist assumptions . . . [namely] that the number is small" (Herrnstein, 1977, p. 596). I do not see that it follows that "Although he never says so in so many words, Skinner can be said to be disposed toward short lists of drives, especially for human beings, simply because he says so little about the issue" (p. 598). I have not talked about or studied many forms of deprivationor aversive stimulation for reasons of expedience. What is to be gained from attempting to do more if, as Herrn- stein supposes, "the list . . . is long, not fully known, and, finally, somewhat variable from per- son to person and from time to time" (p. 598)? I doubt very much whether there is very much "potential for mischief as the controlling agencies unwittingly withhold reinforcers belonging to drives not yet recognized as such or allow unrecognized reinforcers to sabotage their conditioning" (p. 598). If there is, I do not see how it can be prevented. A few examples of these dangers would have been helpful. Self-Reinforcers What Herrnstein is really concerned about becomes clear when he writes, "The unspoken behaviorist 1010 • DECEMBER 1977 • AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGIST premise of a short list has, until recently, sheltered behaviorists from the profound motivational com- plexity of animal behavior, the cycles and epicycles [Ptolemy?] of drive from appetitive to territorial to aggressive to nurturant and so on" (p. S98). Territorial, aggressive, nurturant—Herrnstein is talking about innate behavior. But why does he bring it in under the rubric of "profound moti- vational complexity"? Why not natural selection? The answer lies in his theory of drives and rein- forcers. Herrnstein uses a curious notion of self- reinforcement to explain behavior that seems to me clearly traceable to natural selection. To do so is to miss an important distinction. Innate susceptibility to reinforcement is different from innate behavior, as Peterson (1960) showed in his study of imprinting. The young duckling does not necessarily approach or follow its mother or an imprinted object becuse it inherits the behavior of doing so. It also inherits, possibly as a redund- ant mechanism, a susceptibility to reinforcement from getting close to mother or object. Approach- ing an imprinted object is the simplest natural way to increase proximity, but Peterson showed that a quite arbitrary response such as pecking a key could also be reinforced by bringing the object closer to the duckling. To attribute behavior to such an innate susceptibility, is very different than saying that phylogenic behavior is self-reinforcing. Two examples may help to make this clear. Let us begin with Herrnstein's example of cat and mouse. Here the stalking behavior of a cat appears to be largely inherited, though the topography no doubt changes under reinforcement as a mouse is stalked. (I should have preferred a bird rather than a mouse as the prey. Cats tend to chase and play with mice; they must stalk birds because birds escape so much more easily.) Herrnstein wants to explain all the behavior as due to self- reinforcement—reinforcement not by the reactions of the mouse but by the very behavior itself. He is convinced that this is true for two reasons: (1) The behavior cannot be extinguished. (But why should it be if it is innate? Technically speaking, only conditioned behavior can be extinguished; reflex and released behaviors must be eliminated in other ways, and it is usually difficult to find ways.) (2) Stalking and pouncing cannot be conditioned in a cow or moose. (But the behavior has not been conditioned in the cat either.) As a matter of fact, given a prey which bears the same relation to a cow, with respect to speed and mutual stim- ulation, as a mouse does to a cat, it should not be too difficult to set up contingencies under which a cow will "stalk"—that is, approach slowly when at a distance in order not to alert the prey and then move quickly to capture. The prey would have to be something like an animated bundle of corn. Because of gross physical differences in size and speed, of course, the stalking would not look like the unconditioned stalking of a cat. My objection to Herrnstein's attribution of the behavior to self-reinforcement is that no reinforcer can be identified and none need be, any more than in. explaining retching or digesting one's dinner. Stalking is simply the kind of thing cats do as cats, subject to considerable modification by identi- fiable reinforcers in the life of the individual. As a second example, a mature eel finds its way from a European river to the Sargasso Sea where it breeds and dies. Each turn and each forward movement into new territory cannot be due to self- reinforcement, because the eel makes the trip only once and only past reinforcers can be effective. To hold that an organism behaves because of some future reinforcing consequence is unnecessarily teleological. Of course some "state" of the eel (what else?) leads it to take all the right turns. The state could be comparable to that which prevails in an organism that has actually been conditioned to make such a journey, but it is the end product of an entirely different process. It is an unnecessary bit of environmentalism to appeal to self-reinforcement in the individual eel to explain the strength of behavior that is due to natural selection.2 Conclusion Herrnstein (1977) finds The Behavior oj Organ- isms "too grandiose a title for a book about lever pressing by albino rats" (p. 596). It is. And so are Pavlov's Conditioned Reflexes; An Investi- gation of the Physiological Activity of the Cerebral Cortex (a book about salivation in dogs) and 2 Herrnstein also appeals unnecessarily to events in the life of the individual to explain a species trait in his account of drive reduction. The fact that getting and ingesting food is susceptible to reinforcement by most foodstuffs only when an organism has been deprived of food has great survival value, since eating at all times would be wasteful and dangerous. Susceptibilities to reinforcement by salt and sugar are exceptions—and again for phylogenic reasons: Until recently, these substances were usually in short supply and it was important that organisms ingest them at every opportunity regardless of the current level of deprivation. AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGIST • DECEMBER 1977 • 1011 Sherrington's The Integrative Action of the Nerv- ous System (the bulk of which is about the simplest part of the nervous system and only in cats and dogs). And so, I suggest, is "The Evolution of Behaviorism," unless Herrnstein is contending that his own theory of drives and reinforcers is the wave of the future. Of course behaviorism will evolve. The Be- havior of Organisms has long been out of date, thanks to the efforts of many researchers, of whom Herrnstein is one. But I am continually surprised at how little of the book is actually wrong or no longer relevant. Every scientific field broadens and changes, but why should such a development be characterized as "a crescendo of apparent dis- sent" (p. 594) ? When it proved necessary to modify Boyle's law to allow for the effect of tem- perature, it is possible that critics spoke of a com- plete refutation or of "holes in the fabric" of Boyle, but we now see that that kind of criticism is unim- portant in the historical growth of science. Herrn- stein (1965) is co-editor of a distinguished source book in the history of psychology. In this par- ticular case, proximity seems to have interfered with an objective evaluation. The behavior of organisms is a single field in which both phylogeny and ontogeny must be taken into account. Like all sciences, it must have its specialists, since it is unlikely that anyone can be an expert in the field as a whole. The full title of my book (Skinner, 1938) was The Behavior of Organisms: An Experimental Analysis—an explicit exclusion of the field observations from which the science of ethology was just emerging. 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